President Obama compares anti-Muslim rhetoric to historic persecution of Mormons

During his first visit to a mosque in the United States while in office, President Barack Obama compared the anti-Muslim rhetoric to the historic persecution of Mormons.

“Mormon communities have been attacked throughout our history...We have to understand that an attack on one faith is an attack on all our faiths," President Obama said.

"I agree with every word he said," said Ed Firmage, a Mormon historian and author of the book "Zion in the Courts."

However, Firmage warns about taking too literal an interpretation regarding the remarks.

"I agree with it, but, if you push that metaphor, like any other metaphor, you're in grave danger," he said. "Reasoning from a metaphor is very dangerous."

Firmage acknowledges a bloody history for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but he said for Muslims, the bloodshed stretches back much further into history.

"The Muslim tradition goes back so long and Mormons don't...The Muslims have suffered so much more violence than we ever did," Firmage said.

Muslim or Mormon, the comparison may not be exact, but the message of tolerance for all, Firmage believes is universal.

"I think Tom Monson would say that, I surely say that, the president is saying that, and I agree with him," Firmage said, referring to the President of the LDS Church, Thomas S. Monson, as well as President Obama.

19 comments

  • anotherbob

    Yes Firmage is correct, Barry can’t be comparing Mormons with Muslims because Mormons don’t strap bombs to their chests and then go blow up a bunch of people because of their god. Mormons will just guilt trip you and talk about you behind your back when you don’t want to be part of the church or don’t want to pay into the church coffers.

    • ERIC ANDERSON

      Ed Firmage was a bishop in the LDS Church before he apostatized and became a bitter enemy. Was he right when he believed in his church and it’s teachings, or was he right when he denied his faith?

    • bob

      You think that’s the only difference?

      One of the first things they Mormons did when they got here is establish the University of Utah, which was the first university west of the Mississippi to admit women. From Day One women had the right to vote, until statehood took it away from them. Mormon women could drive cars from the beginning. The first board-certified female physician in the western U.S. was a Mormon.

      The list goes on forever.

    • AVERAGEDUDE

      Yup, neither of them are real big on homosexuality Jeff. The big difference is that under Islamic law homoseuality is not only a sin but a crime that can get you executed.

  • bob

    Firmage agrees with “everything he says.” Firmage hates Mormons. So…..what are we supposed to deduce? Firmage hates Muslims too?

    Probably. He has made a living out of hate.

  • AVERAGEDUDE

    How many Mormons have flown passenger planes into building and killed thousands? Give me a ball park figure.

  • GAY K (@GKL1961)

    Hitory people, read our Mormon history: We were persecuted as Muslims are being persecuted today and true we haven’t planted bombs on our chests (yet) Let’s not forget the fringe group of the Vlive Bundy Clan. This law in Missouri enacted in 1838 was not lifted until 1975: Missouri Executive Order 44, also known as the Extermination Order,[1][2] was an executive order issued on October 27, 1838, by the Governor of Missouri, Lilburn Boggs. The order was issued in the aftermath of the Battle of Crooked River, a clash between Latter Day Saints and a unit of the Missouri State Guard in northern Ray County, Missouri, during the 1838 Mormon War. Claiming that Latter Day Saints had committed open and avowed defiance of the law and had made war upon the people of Missouri, Governor Boggs directed that “the Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary for the public peace—their outrages are beyond all description”.[2] The militia and other state authorities—General John B. Clark, among them—would use the executive order to expel the Latter Day Saints from their lands in the state following their capitulation, which in turn led to the Latter Day Saint migration to Nauvoo, Illinois.

    Yet we want to do the same thing to all Muslims. From (A card carrying Mormon)

    • Grant Hamilton

      you are right that there are/have been violent mormons. but polls have shown that 50% of muslims think violence is a just method to bring about their cause. are you suggesting that 50% of mormons are violence-mongers?

  • Doug Jewell

    Huge difference between Mormons & Muslims. The Mormon founder didn’t behead 600 Jews. The Mormons didn’t spread their gospel by putting people to the sword who wouldn’t convert.

    The person in this article who says Muslims have suffered far longer has it back to front. It is the rest of the world that has suffered bloodshed at the hand of Muslims for far longer. I’d suggest he studies some history, and not just the whitewashed version that is peddled by the left.

    • warren dunn

      Doug… up until the end of the nineteenth century, many apostates had their throats slit because of the FLDS use of blood atonement. The answer to all religious conflict is to simply eliminate all religions. The world would be a much more humane and peaceful place. By the way, don’t forget the Mountain Meadows massacre.

      • Doug Jewell

        Warren, if FLDS want to kill each other, I don’t particularly care. Likewise if Muslims want to kill each other, I don’t particularly care. If a bloodthirsty cult kills itself out, then great, the rest of us don’t have to put up with them. I only care when a bloodthirsty cult starts attacking others, and in that regard the Mormons have nothing on the Muslims. Mountain Meadows resulted in about 120 bodies, and that’s about it in nearly 200 years of Mormonism. 120 bodies is a slow week for Islam. Some estimates put the body count at the hand of Muslims at around 250,000,000. That’s quite a tally for a religion that claims to be the victim of persecution. If the Mormons are going to be compared to them, they have a bit of catching up to do.

  • Bob Squared

    How is this simlar to mormon history. Last i checked mormon is an all volunteer religion, dont force anyone to do anything, and move when persecuted. All i see from the islam world are signs of it being a giant fraud. I was recently shown an image of muslim women in israel in the 1950s. Compared to now they looked and dressed like westerners. Apparently to be muslim now you have to don the hajib if you want to be a real muslim woman. Theres nothing. NOTHING. similar to mormonism. Good one obama. hes so miss informed its embarrasing.

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