Policy change on same-sex couples prompts party for mass-resignations from LDS Church

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SALT LAKE CITY – A number of people turned out Saturday night for what they called a mass resignation party from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the event comes in the wake of a policy change from the LDS Church that means children of same-sex couples cannot be members of the faith while living with their parents.

Saturday’s mass-resignation party was held at Beer Bar in Salt Lake City, and event organizers said they wanted to help people with the process of resigning their membership with the LDS Church.

“I think it's the only leverage we really have that they would care, is their numbers, so we're just showing that not everyone supports it,” Leah Leavitt said. “I know a lot of members are conflicted about it, and I don't think that's right.”

Leavitt went on to say most people she talked to at the event had been wanting to resign for a while, and the new policy drove them to officially take that step.

Friday, the LDS Church responded to the discussion over the policy change, click here for details.

62 comments

  • From the Basin

    OK. Both of them resigned, including one who was not even a church member.

    Odd concept of a mass event if it can fit in Beer Bar.

  • Leslie

    So a bunch of people looking to leave the church for a while. .found an excuse not to keep the covenants they made at their baptism. .but they expect an 8 year old to uphold them? Lol miserably failed!

    • Mike D.

      Quitting means they believe the church lied (and rightfully so) about being the true religion of god.

      If only more followed through.

      • Bob the Wiser

        There is another, larger event scheduled for November 14th. It’s one of many. It will be held beinning at 1 PM at City Creek Park on November 14. Those who wish to resign are invited to bring their resignation letters, during the eventthey will be sent out together, ceremoniously. There will be two notary public’s available on site. The event organizers are working on having a lawyer participate to help ensure that these letters of resignation are processed immediately and without intervention from ward leaders. There will be a time for testimonials to be publicly expressed as to why you are choosing to leave the oppressive mormon church, as well as a march around “temple” square. So far, over 700 have confirmed their attendance with another 1.5 k on the maybe list. This is within just over a day of the event being made official. Those leaving the church are invited to attend, as well as their supporters. Tell your friends. Let’s make this a national movement that doesn’t slow down. Let’s hit them where they care – their pocket. No more 10% from these folks.

      • MEB

        Wow, Bob – 1.5K people! That’s pretty impressive. There are 15 million members of the Mormon Church. So, you’re saying that by having 0.01% of them show up and denounce their membership, someone is going to care about that number? Or someone is going to care about the tithing that isn’t going to be paid by these fence sitters who likely weren’t paying tithing anyway? I got news for you. There will be more people baptized in the State of Texas during the month of November, than sign up for your event and renounce their membership. But you go ahead and keep up the good work.

        Truth be told, many of us do care about these people who are using this as an opportunity to denounce their membership in the kingdom, but not for the reasons you think.

      • Bob the Wiser

        Over 1.5K people will be going to an event next week in Utah to renounce their membership in this hvte group. If you’re a member of a religion that believes the entire world population of 7.3 billion began with a single pair of people a handful of thousands of years ago, and you think that 1.5K out of 15 million can’t make a huge dent really fast? It’s a snowball effect, and it’s just beginning. This 1.5K will grow exponentially, and I believe we are witnessing the first death throes of the mormon church, a church which started based on the fraudulent lies of a single man in the 1820’s. If his lies could explode into a “religion” of 15 million in under 200 years beginning with the garbage spewing from the mouth of one loan KNOW charlatan before modern communication, that “religion” can be UNDONE by an initial group of 1.5K over much shorter period of time – especially considering that this 1.5K is just the beginning.

        Let’s be clear, the mormon church doesn’t care about you. It doesn’t care about your children. There is no “kingdom.” It’s a pyramid scheme designed to relieve you of your money. It grows when people have 10 kids and THOSE kids do the same idiot!c things as their parents. Most g@y couples don’t have 10 kids. THIS is what the mormon chuchr has a problem with. This lack of thoughtless, needless reproduction is what’s being punished. This most recent act of h@te isn’t even being disguised as “divine revelation” like so much previous h@te. It’s not “the word of g-d” – it’s a policy change made by sick old men worried about keeping the bottom line in the black – and smart people know this and are standing up against it.

      • anotherbob

        MEB it’s not the actual numbers that’s important, a person with average intelligence would know this… There are/will be enough to make the news and that’s really all that matters. Like Bob the wiser stated, it’s all just a pyramid scheme designed to relieve you of your money, with the promise of “blessings” in return. Tithing is just a blessings ransom, if you don’t pay your money to God you don’t get into heaven and receive his protections. Start thinking for yourself for once instead of relying on made up beliefs and doctrine which are/were force fed to you, it’s time to put down the koolaid.

      • Poqui

        My friends and I decided to satisfy our curiosity so we split the “yes” list amongst us and visited their FB pages. So far, most of the “yes” crowd is either not LDS or has been vocally against the church for quite a while. In other words, this is a staged event with very little substance. All bark, no bite, just fleas biting the camels in the grand caravan.

      • John Skiba

        To ANOTHERBOB: A quibble. If you are going to comment on the ethics of tithing, with implication that it is being used to line someone’s pockets, I would suggest you research how funds collected by the LDS Church are used. As a nonprofit organization, they are held fully accountable for every penny. You would find those funds are used MUCH more wisely and efficiently, serving needs of as many outside the Church as inside, as any comparable-level government organization. But don’t take my word for it, and don’t ask me for sources you will undoubtedly dismiss without thought. Look it up yourself, unless you are content to simply rave on in your own world.

      • Warren

        Bob the wiseguy: “It’s a pyramid scheme designed to relieve you of your money” I always stand in awe at the logical reasoning of people who claim this church is all about getting your money when it’s well-established that that money doesn’t go to any of the Church leadership. It goes to building buildings running the programs and serving the members. So are you saying they just want to take your money because they like building stuff that doesn’t do them any worldly good whatsoever? Or can you concede that they, like members of the Church, actually believe in what the Church is doing?

    • Steve

      8 years old
      Believes in Santa Claus
      Expected to make eternal covenants regarding a religion neither they nor 90%+ of the religion fully understands.

      Besides, Mormons have no problems with people breaking their covenants. That’s what the missionaries are to do. To get people to break their covenants made with other religions and organizations. They just don’t like it when it’s THEIR covenants being broken.

      • Warren

        Steve, I don’t think the LDS Church has any problem with it if other churches have a policy of excommunicating their congregation members who join their church. It’s not a punishment to be excommunicated from a church you don’t believe in.

    • Nate

      Your post is confusing…..8 years olds are baptized every day in the the Church. If you think they cannot uphold the covenants, then why not change the age for all LDS members to 18???

  • Kyle

    How many is a number? A number of people turned out to resign. I can’t understand how many this “mass” of people resigning is if I don’t have at least an estimate. That’s just poor journalism no matter how you look at it.

      • Reah

        Haha they came 30 mins into the event… so they didn’t know how many people were coming/resigned, but the total tally was 83 resignations.

      • Warren

        Reah,

        83? Oh gee. That’ll put a dent in the membership won’t it? And how many of those 83 had already resigned previously? How many were already inactive and were just too lazy to formally resign before? I’ll venture a guess at 83.

  • ANOTHERBOB

    The same people who claimed to resign over women and the priesthood are back to resign again. There is a reason why farmers weed their gardens and prune their orchards. They don’t need the dead stuff to affect the harvest.

  • John Jacobs

    Ummmm. If you are in a bar with a beer in your hand with multiple tattoos and piercings dressed inappropriately basing facts upon your own thinking and not what the commandments say….then please, resign. You’re not one of the people trying to live the commandments anyways if you’re in that position. That’s kind of a no-brainer

    • Jerry

      technically, except for the beer, there is nothing else wrong with any of the other things you listed in relation to being a good member of the LDS Church…that explains why people like you give ugly looks to homeless people who try to attend church….not in my backyard is not in my ward….

      • Warren

        Well, there are the tattoos and the piercings as well. Church leadership has counseled against defiling the body that way.

  • Danny Michel

    MEB – the state of Texas will not baptize 1,500 in the month. What a crock when you say that! Texas alone will not baptize 1,500 in a year. Read the book “Tipping Point” by Malcolm Gladwell. I personally do feel that this as well the historical issues and the cover-up of these issues are part of the “Tipping Point” of the downturn of the church ORGANIZATION. This is a business.

  • T

    If it’s one or thousands it matters. Those who I hear here that are lds should humble themselves. It does matter to our Heavenly Father if members resign. Please if you are considering removing your membership do not take what you hear on social media as truth. Do some research. I think you will find that the media ran with it without checking or attempting to explain the real facts. Just as an example this article heading. Wrong!

  • Howard Barnes

    The nation is now learning what the LDS is about .They do not represent Jesus .The are themselves apostate for denying a child who has no choice I hope the church breaks down

    • bob

      Your version condemns a child to eternal hell if they don’t get water sprinkled in their head. The Mormons are just condemning them to staying home and watching TV.

      On second thought, I’m not sure which is worse.

    • DAN GRAY

      The same people who condemn the church which bears the full name of Jesus would condemn and deny HIM if he were to appear today. Of course you wouldn’t recognize HIM Woward because HE would be wearing today’s clothing and not the robes of earlier times.

    • John Skiba

      You obviously have no clue what the status of the child is in the context of Church doctrine as recently clarified by Church authorities (to those of us who understand what they are talking about). Nobody, not even the couples, is/are being condemned in any way. It is a matter of respecting the moral and legal rights of the parents with respect to their minor children. If you are sincere in your expression, do some checking with people who know (see my comments elsewhere in this thread) what they’re talking about.

    • rainbowlindaf

      You’re right, a child has no choice. The LDS church requires that all minors who want to join the LDS church have official permission from their parents. And I would not want it any other way. I would have serious problems with any church that would do such a thing to a child without the express permission of the parents or legal guardians.

  • Wayne Mattingly

    If I show up at a golf club meeting and want to talk fishing and brought all your gear. What would they do…say…act they would most likely direct me to the nearest fishing hole. Go figure! Why do people seek out problems. These days it seems to be about “acceptance” more than the politically stated correct term called the “right to choose”. When the auto shop told me they could not fix my car the way I wanted I simply took my cares to a more comfortable shop. Go figure!

  • bob

    I challenge those pretending to “resign” to prove that they’re actually members who regularly attend Church and pay their tithing.

    I predict there will be ZERO takers for that challenge. Nobody is actually resigning over this. Which begs the question: What kind of a person spends their life “protesting” a religion they don’t even belong to or believe in?

    I’m an atheist. I think their policy regarding children is pretty disgusting. But I have no dog in the fight. I won’t be wasting any of my time on it because it DOESN’T MATTER.

    As always…..if you’re scared, go to church.

    • rainbowlindaf

      The policy re: children is, that all minor children MUST have the express written permission of their parents and/or legal guardians to be baptized into the LDS church. And I don’t see how anyone has a problem with this?

  • Nina

    The Church is not a democracy. It’s a theocracy. Simply put, that means that your opinion doesn’t really matter. Only God’s opinion matters. If people disagree with Church policy, then their resignation is entirely appropriate. Me, I’m staying. “Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.”

  • Matthew

    To me it sounds like a lot of people who already had doubts or issues with the Church are just using the latest media scandal as a way to air their grievance. I get that there are plenty of legitimate active practicing members of the LDS faith who are/were concerned about this latest policy change, mainly because of how the media ran their stories initially. For those people, this will be just another trial of their faith, for them to see if once again the LDS Church passes their internal litmus test and they find all is right and come out of it either stronger for it, or begin to drift away. Everything I’m reading though from various news stories such as this though make it pretty clear though that those raising the biggest rancor over it are those who’ve already clearly left the Church in spirit, just not “officially” on the record in most cases, and are using this as just another chance to grind their particular axe. I’ve seen it so many times over the years personally, not in the media, with friends and colleagues who’ve fallen away from the Church for whatever reasons, who suddenly feel as if it is their singular calling to rail against it and denounce it at every turn. If we saw people exhibit that behavior towards anything other than the LDS Church, many would call it unhealthy and destructive, a waste of time and energy, but because this about an organized religion that is often misunderstood or disliked because of its doctrinal stances (and unwillingness to change them) that isn’t the case, right?

    As a Mormon who has struggled with his faith off and on over the years, this latest policy change did upset me at first, because I didn’t understand it and I felt like it was somehow punishing the children for choices made by their parents. But once the initial anger/confusion passed, and I did what I usually do when I feel “lost” about anything in life, I did MY research to learn more about it. It helped to bring clarity to me on the situation. Sure, I still have some questions, because I have a mind that hungers for knowledge, but alas, some of that I also understand will come to me in time and is beyond me. I still don’t fully agree with it, but I understand why they had to make that policy. It doesn’t prevent said children from coming to Church services, activities, and enjoy the fellowship of those in the Church, nor does it prevent said parents from such. What it does is help prevent the Church from becoming a matter of conflict in said households, as I can’t fathom a young child of 8 (and up…) being asked to “disavow” the behavior/lifestyle of his parents in order to gain membership into the Church. Which is also ironically partially why I disagree with it, because I also have known many mature 8 yr olds and reasonably minded same-sex couples who might ironically have no problems whatsoever with that situation arising. But that is also an unlikely minority in the situation, which is why I also understand why they are putting the policy in place.

    Which comes back to the pesky thing called FAITH. Any religion requires that you have it, not just the LDS church, because there are always the spiritual unknowns, or in non-deity specific religions, perhaps universal or mystical unknowns, that require a measure of faith from the member. It waxes and wanes based on your practice and personal development I believe. In the case of what is going on now, I just believe that those choosing to let this specific policy change be that tipping point for their resignation have let that faith wane too much for too long, for lack of a better way of putting it, that spark of faith may have gone out. It is sad. No one who is a Christian, let alone a member of the LDS faith should be taking joy over those who are resigning now because of this, or who have perhaps resigned long ago and are just now using this as a way of lashing out back at the Church. I’ve heard one too many times over recent issues that have led to resignations (or ex-communications), like the ordination of women, and now this, where members make statements like this is just the wheat being separated from the chaff. How does that help those who are leaving feel loved by those who may still be friends and neighbors, let alone give perception to those in the world around us that we’re actually so quick to cast aside those who aren’t with us anymore or turn against them? We’re still taught to love them, regardless. I get that we’re not all perfect, we’re all works in progress, but if we want people look at members of the LDS faith as good examples, we should strive to do so not just during the easy times to be that, but also during the trying times like now when it is easy to be frustrated by those we love who may have lost their way. All we can do is pray and do what we can to provide a healthy path back for them, if they so choose.

    • John Skiba

      Very well put. To “judge” any Church action, it is absolutely necessary to fully understand the answers to the following:
      What people do CJCLDS members think will go to Heaven?
      What does it mean to be a “member” of the CJCLDS (i.e. – a “Mormon”)?
      What does it mean to apostasize? To be excommunicated? To be “disciplined”? A “nonmember”?
      Most important: Can the above groups get to Heaven? What do Mormons believe?
      When you understand the answers, you will also understand that the positions of the Church, on this and other issues, are not hateful toward ANYONE, even those who revile them from within and afar. I know this from many decades of experience with people of all circumstances. Many members do not fully understand their own religion, and, being homan, they behave in manner that might appear unChristian. They, and I, still have much to learn. I thank God for His patience.

  • Nate

    I wonder if this will help the Church finally have a true membership count??? For years the rolls have been bloated by inactive members due to the complexities involved in resigning their membership.

    • DAN GRAY

      What it will help do Nate is remove the dead limbs from the fruit trees in the orchard. It is healty for the tree and strengthens it. Kinda like removing weeds from your garden Nate.

      • John Skiba

        Respectfully, WRONG! It is an opportunity for those who are not clear in what they believe to “start over”. Like the transition from childhood to adulthood, sometimes it may be necessary to reevaluate what you truly believe vs. what you had come to assume or take for granted’ or just accept for lack of an alternative. This may take you out of the Church. If so, then so be it. Time is on God’s side, and unless you are dead, you still have lots to learn. I certainly have changed my beliefs and opinions quite dramatically since my teen years. If you truly seek Truth, you WILL find it eventually. “All roads lead to Rome”.

    • John Skiba

      There is a global recorded membership roll. I once knew a retired couple who “just quit going” 20 years earlier For those 20 years, Church members continued to visit them from time to time. Visitors were always made welcome. No hostility, resentment, or animosity. My wife and I would visit them ourselves at least monthly, on a purely friendly social basis, for over 5 years. No harangues or sermons. Just an enjoyable hour or two with friends. We had an open invitation to visit anytime, and we reciprocated in kind.
      After 20 years, they came back to Church, no fuss, no fanfare (but lots of “WELCOME BACK”s). But that is another story.
      If, however, a person truly wishes no further contact, there are two possibilities. A letter to the local Church authorities requesting “no contact” will be honored, except the person will remain on the rolls, and may be contacted occasionally just to verify he/she is still alive. If the person wants to be cut off entirely, a formal request (simply “Remove me from membership.”, with enough identifying details to assure the correct “John Doe” is removed) is all that is required to be removed from the rolls. Note that neither alternative implies any impact on that person’s salvation. He/she is simply “on their own”, just as if they had never been a member. I would never have accepted any religion that condemned non- or former- members to eternal … (whatever).

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