Students at Utah school upset to discover yearbook photos were altered before publication

WASATCH COUNTY, Utah — Female students at a Utah high school want to know why their yearbook photos were altered to show less skin without them knowing about it.

The students who were surprised to find their photos altered attend Wasatch High School, and some of them said they also feel upset because it appears the decisions whether to alter the photos or not weren’t made consistently.

“I feel like they put names in a hat and pick and choose who,” Sophomore Rachel Russel said. “There were plenty of girls that were wearing thicker tank tops and half of them got edited and half of them didn’t.”

And that’s what bothered the girls the most. It seemed like the school randomly picked which pictures to edit. In one case, two different girls were wearing nearly identical tops: one photo was altered to add sleeves and the other was not. At least two dozen girls had their photos altered. The students who spoke with FOX 13 News were not aware of any male students who had their photos altered.

But educators said the students know the dress code and there was a sign warning them that their pictures may be edited. However, the Wasatch County Superintendent admits the school erred in not applying the same rules to each student.

“We only apologize in the sense that we want to be more consistent with what we`re trying to do in that sense we can help kids better prepare for their future by knowing how to dress appropriately for things,” said Terry E. Shoemaker, who is the superintendent of schools for the  Wasatch County School District.

FOX 13 News’ Kiersten Nuñez spoke with students and school officials, see the video above for her report. The photos are included in that video and are also available in the gallery below.

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324 comments

  • Cartman

    A typical Southern California public high school dress code, as published on their website:

    The Beverly Hills Unified School District believes that the school and the home be engaged in a partnership to teach the values of integrity, truth, personal accountability and respect for the rights of others.

    DRESS CODE POLICY – Click on Photo Album Photos
    Students will dress appropriately for school as described in the Beverly Hills Unified School District’s Board Policy. Student will recognize that school is a place of business and that they must respect the dress code policy.

    STANDARDS FOR APPROPRIATE DRESS:

    No clothing, backpacks, or hats that suggest a gang affiliation, has inappropriate logos including graffiti style language/logos, carries an inappropriate message (words or images that are offensive, vulgar, derogatory towards individuals or groups of people, or that promote or advertise illegal products or activities), does not provide appropriate coverage, or detracts from the academic environment.
    Undergarments shall not be visible.
    Girls: No revealing clothing. Students shall not wear sheer blouses, bare midriff or revealing tank tops, tube tops, open backed shirts, halter tops, spaghetti straps, or low-cut necklines. Short skirts and short shorts are not allowed. Shorts and skirts must be at least half way down the thigh. Leggings or tights must be covered by shorts, dress, or skirt.
    Boys: no sagging pants, wallet chains, hanging belts, or hats/clothing with inappropriate language or logos. Hats or hoods may not be worn in class.
    All clothing must be neat, clean, and in good condition, reflecting a professional atmosphere of learning.

    CONSEQUENCES:
    First Infraction:
    1. Student referred to the Assistant Principal for counseling and change of clothes
    2. Parents notified for a conference and a 1-day student suspension

    Second Infraction:
    1. Student referred to the Assistant Principal for a conference and a 5-day student suspension.

    The photos depicted of “before editing” would NOT be acceptable in yearbook photos in southern California. Got it? There will be a quiz later.

  • electropig

    Gotta say, I very much enjoyed all of the comments which supported the narrow-minded viewpoint of the school’s FAILURES. But it’s their policy, and if they want to edit a student’s photo to THEIR OWN PERSONA LIKING, then they should be free to do that, without any notice to the person they’re “revising to their tastes, for whatever reason.”

    That said, since the photos were revised without the fully informed and advance consent of the kids whose photos were “edited”, those kids should at least have their yearbook costs refunded, as legally, THEY did not appear in the yearbook.

  • pnamajck

    i agree with sukiyhtaky’s earlier comment. all schools need to maintain / enforce dress-codes … it’s the students who interpret / manipulate the system for their own self-centered gratification. i work for a yearbook publishing firm … we routinely are asked, by school staff, to “cover up” clothing … or retouch “bird flipping” or “gang symbols” that idiots try to sneak into pictures. s’been this way since the 70’s at least … have no doubt many decades earlier as well. students need to act responsibly … or face the consequences.

  • Tigger

    “They KNEW they were breaking the school’s dress code”. So why are they now whinging about their photos being edited? IMO, they were very lucky the school didn’t just print a blank where their photos should be.

  • jennydtaylor@gmail.com

    I think all of the edited photo’s look a lot better! Those girls should be thanking the school. I know I would be as their mother. Geesh! And get over it. Yes, the school needs to be more consistent. But they did put up signs.

    • Nan

      I think they look worse, the editing looks like it was done with a black Sharpie and White-Out..

  • Lizza

    “Students say they knew they were breaking the school’s dress code.”
    Did you moaners not hear that? The girls broke the rules, ignored the warning, and now are whining that their little teen-age cleavages and bare shoulders have been covered up. Wah wah. Why is this even an issue ?

  • Brian

    This is all silly. All of those pictures were fine. Except the one that was altered to cover up that girl’s bra strap. Not because it was slutty, but because it looked terrible. They did her a fashion favor on that one. The rest? Take your prudish puritan ways somewhere else, Utah. Get a grip.

  • meffertf

    What I don’t get is why these pictures were censored in the first place. I’m a practicing Christian with a 16 year old daughter in High school, and I don’t see anything in these pictures I wouldn’t approve of my daughter wearing. And believe me, I have my limits.

    The cleavage I see is not revealing in the least. I see worse at church. The funniest part, however, is the covering of the naked shoulders. What are we, puritans? Should we require our girls to wear a burqa until they’re 18?

    Silly, silly Utah.

  • Mr. Jackson

    They’re still showing too much skin. Their head and face can still be seen.

    Just throw burqas on all of them.

  • McFowl

    Well unless the school got permission to alter the photo’s from whoever took the photograph’s of each student there sa a case of copyright infringement here. Photographer don’t just give people a copyright release unless someone is willing to pay serious money for it. We on the other hand do give a print or user release to the purchaser which allows them to post or print the photograph. Know one not even the purchaser can alter the photographe without written permission to do so. What the school should have done if there was something wrong with the photograph is contact the student and/or parent to let them know the photograph didn’t meet either school standards or rules.

  • kami

    I honestly don’t get why this is an issue or why people care so much. If it were me is this scenario I’d say something along the lines of, “Oh man..that’s weird” and then not think about it anymore. I mean seriously, the only time I would ever get mad is if they made me less publicly presentable like putting me in a bikini or something.
    Making it more presentable was really only a change of regular clothes and it still looked great.

    Why would people lose their minds over modesty? Are they mad because they over reacted that the picture has changed or mad because they have more clothes on?

  • gerter@gmail.com

    This is funny. The story says that the girls knew they were breaking the dress code in the photos, but then they want to be consulted about how the photos are altered so things match? Give me a break. These high school students crying “not fair” have not learned the important life lesson that “life isn’t fair”. The school admin is right to only apologize for not being consistent. When you break the rules…you get what you get and you don’t throw a fit.

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  • Craig Lewis

    The Taliban and Utah Mormons would get along really well if they were in the same country. LOL.

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  • Esther

    I am so thinking back to my high school yearbook: seniors girls were given a black sweater (which we wore backwards) and a white shell lei and boys had to wear a suit. But the rest of the grades…you can find tank tops to spaghetti strap dresses and boys in t-shirts with all sorts of graphics on them. And a few of them were probably barefoot as well (until my senior year, I did go barefoot a lot). Of course, this was in Hawaii and back when dinosaurs still roamed, so times have changed. I don’t envy parents and kids today at all.

  • Charity

    Bravo! I think ALL schools should follow suite. Modesty is under-rated. There is a time and place for everything and school is not the place to be underdressed.

  • Kandace

    I’m sorry this is ridiculous i understand school rules and dress codes are just that but If the school superintendent wants that kind of major control then he should have enforced it for all not just for some! This is discrimination & If anyone wants to disagree with this statement may I suggest you look up the word in the Webster Dictionary! And folks if this is are only concern in today’s society than we’ve got real problems truly!!! As long as it isn’t my child being the one that breaks the dress code than life is good…and if kids show up to be photographed not up to dress code then its simple don’t take the picture! BOTTOM LINE!

  • Johnson

    The thick straped tank top looked fine, her bra straps were hidden and the shirt was very pretty. Not coming down too far or exposing anything but shoulder, and they “fixed” it.
    I believe that schools are a bit strict on what females are allowed to wear, especially when it gets hot and schools have a limited budget for a/c. Plus no where does it say that males are not allowed to wear “shoulder exposing” clothing or sheer tops, which we all know happens…. they just aren’t allowed to wear baggy clothing. If you are going to implement a rule then make it for everyone not a specific gender or teach your boys to respect women and not gawk at a bit of shoulder or a belly button because neither one are really nice to look at, an ugly scar used to pass nutrients and waste as an unborn and a section of the body that is curved and you put deodorant on the other side…
    I understand the covering of the chest and bra straps that just looks bad, but it gets hot as well and some of the rules just aren’t right especially when stores don’t sell shorts that come to the knee for women. lol

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  • Rob

    It does not say anything about the girls in the photo being the same person. It states “Two Girls wearing similar outfits”

  • laytonian

    That’s the point!
    Two girls in near-identical outfits. The little blonde wasn’t edited; the dark-haired girl was.

  • Brandon Ashby

    The reason why this was, was to show that in the year book, one girl had not been edited where the other one had been. It was nothing about a before and after photo, just that one girl was edited while the other one wearing the same clothes was not. Why is it that “sleeveless” clothes are inappropriate…. -.- everything is still safe! now if there were no sleeves say a tube top, that’s different. And a public school too, come on, I could see a private school but a public school? and It is the students yearbooks as well, they are the ones who choose what they want to go in them. They personalize them in every way along with the student yearbook comity.

  • Steve

    Public schools get to dictate whatever dress policy they feel appropriate, some make them all wear identical uniforms.

  • sukiyhtaky

    When did modesty become a religious issue? I am agnostic and I totally agree with dress standards in schools. It has nothing whatsoever to do with religion. You LIKE boys wearing their pants half way down their butts? You like girls with low cut blouses or so transparent you can see everything? School is a place to learn. It is not a social experiment in sexualizing kids. I applaud the school district for having standards and enforcing them.

  • Charles

    At first I was horrified by the seemingly arbitrary actions of the school in this case. Under further review, I found that the school had posted a 4 foot by 5 foot sign warning the students that anything violating the school dress code could be altered. Further, I pulled up the dress code from the school’s official website, and every instance of altering was, in fact a violation of the dress code. I don’t personally agree with the dress code, or how they chose to enforce it in this case. but the students in question have no grounds to claim that they were not aware of said dress code or that alterations could take place. This should be taken up with the school board to challenge the dress code policy (which is a disturbing document, really) or fought with a lawsuit to have it thrown out (good luck with that one). http://www.wasatch.edu/cms/lib/UT01000315/Centricity/Domain/2/Article_III_Student_Dress_-_Grooming_and_Appearance.pdf

  • JULIE

    Actually, If this were a Muslim school, then more respect would be given and their dress standards would be adhered to without question….

  • Steve

    They already admitted that was a mistake and the same treatment should have been applied to all. Did you not read the article?

  • Breanna Stuart

    I choose not to measure my success in life on how fun I am at parties. Rules are rules, and we need to stop letting our kids whine their way out of them. If you don’t like the dress code, push to have it changed.

  • Cara

    Playing dirty, Muhammad. Just because someone has a different opinion from yours doesn’t make that person wrong.

  • Lex1benDay

    What kids wear absolutely affects learning. That is a ridiculous comment. The issue is that the school admin shouldn’t be able to edit a picture saying the outfit was against dress clade if the student was allowed to go to class dressed that way. They are sending mixed signals and being lazy about holding students to the rules all year long.

  • rose

    Its interesting that because it is Utah, everything ends up being a religious issue. This had nothing to do with religion. I agree that they , the school, should not alter photo’s if the school allowed the student to break dress code.

  • Nan

    If it was a dress code violation then the students should not have been in school wearing the clothes they were photographed in. If the clothing passed muster through the school day then it should have been fine for the photos.

  • Nan

    If the school has a dress code this never should have happened. The girls should have been flagged for dress code violations when they first arrived at school and either have been sent home or made to change. This has nothing to do with a dress code because the girls spent the day at school in the clothing they were photographed in, which didn’t cause a stir until months later. This is because there are a bunch of people in the area who want all the girls in their yearbook to look a certain way.

  • Sparks13

    If the dress codes are not applied to everyone equally, then they aren’t tress codes, they are discrimination.

  • Nathan M Gardner

    Thou I understand why the school did this, I do not believe this is right. If the girls did not follow the dress ode they should not have been in school. Furthermore, by editing the photo’s hey removed one girls tattoo. Which in my mind removing someone tattoo’s without their permission is an infringement to their right to free speech!

  • Chet Lavemagne

    I have to say, if there is one thing you americans are good at it’s providing at least one good solid laugh a day. I cannot tell you how happy I am that I don’t live in a country like Iran or the USA, but in one where kids can wear whatever they like without anyone imposing rules on them. It’s absolutely hilarious how you go on about being the land of the free whilst being far from it, but it can truly be said to be the home of the brave since that’s a necessity with all the stupidity surrounding you. Not long ago when you had an imbecile for a president you were actually scary, since armed, ill informed, aggressive idiots are quite dangerous. Now I’m glad you have gone back to just being funny idiots.

  • Nan

    So if they were violating the dress code why were they allowed to be in school that day in the clothes that the school claims violated the dress code? I do not believe it has anything to do with the schools dress code, if it did these girls would not have been able to wear the “offensive” clothing in the first place. This is the school altering pictures to fit the sensibilities of some group who can’t look at a girls shoulders.

  • Zaissa

    So? If they were breaking dress code, why weren’t they sent home? What was the point of editing?

    And evidently the editor doesn’t understand the dress code well enough to even apply it consistently so it clearly isn’t a solid dress code issue. It’s obviously subjective and open to a lot of prejudice of the person looking at the girl and enforcing the rule on what she is wearing – which is creepy.

  • Aaron Bryan

    Duh steve, its a public school. No uniforms are required. Kids dressed up for picture day and obviously None of them are breaking any dress code. They are covered and they look modest. The school is being controlling and a bunch of Hippocrates. The teachers also wear outfits like the girls wore.

  • Kali

    Steve, public schools don’t get to dictate whatever dress code they want… that’s private school. And to cover up some girls cleavage is ridiculous. Those shirts weren’t even trashy or cut that low. In real life people are going to wear in-modest clothes. Utah needs to stop judging people and there decisions.

  • Kristin

    Yes, Steve, this is correct, but the deeper question here is this: Why on earth does the dress code at a PUBLIC school inisist that its students adhere to LDS standards of modesty? Would it make sense for an LDS girl, who does not sexualize her elbows and knees, to be forced to wear wrist length shirts or ankle length skirts just because the predominant religion in her town felt the need to hide body parts that she believes are fit to be seen?

  • Robert

    Kali, That’s incorrect public schools can dictate dress code. Even up to the point of uniforms. That being said if the girls violated the dress code they should have been sent home not have their pictures altered.

  • Pam G

    These girls were allowed to wear this clothing all year at school. Nothing was said. If there were rules and regulations for the yearbook photos, a memo should have gone to every student in the school. 1. Consequences should have been outlined if they were broken. 2. Everyone should have been abiding by the same rules, no cherry picking (see the girls wearing the same outfit).
    Who decided to infringe on the personal rights of these girls because of their own miss-guided beliefs? The person who took it upon him or herself to pass judgment was DEAD WRONG and needs to be punished. This person ruined a school memory that should have been a joyful time of life for these girls. This person give the word coward a new meaning.

  • Rachel

    No you don’t understand,i go to this school and that is the standard dress, they were forewarned. The reason that they weren’t kicked out is because we take pictures during school registration, not during the school day thus the dress code isn’t applicable yet. a dress code is a common thing among schools and just because some choose to actually address the rules in keeping a school classy and appropriate gives no reason for anyone to judge rashly. yes all of the photos should have been consistently edited keeping equality, i do agree with that. but this isnt about conforming to LDS standards, i have to dress appropriately for work, school, and church. all of them have a different level of dress code and are coherent with their own set of standards.

  • Reason

    Telling girls they can’t wear a tank top to school isn’t classy. It’s forcing the beliefs of the few on the many. The only purpose it serves to make the boys less respectful towards girls who don’t let religion dictate who they are. Nine times out of ten parents won’t let their children out of the house in something inappropriate. Notice that no boys pictures were edited, and there’s no way none of them weren’t following the dress code (which is much less restrictive for the boys)

  • More serious issues in this world

    Rachel, thank you for a better insight. As I said before, they should know their school’s rules. If they choose not to abide by them, who cares if their photos are altered. Maybe next year they will do what is expected of them. There are a lot more serious issues to worry about in this world. If they don’t want to abide by them, they need to home school, switch schools or deal with it.

  • john

    And, that’s not a new idea either, Steve. I once saw a similar thing in a 1930’s documentary, but it was hard to understand because the narration was in German.

  • Nan

    Yup it is utterly incompetent administration, if the clothing was good enough to wear during school hours it was good enough for photos. This is a school that changed photos to appease certain people nothing else.

  • Nan

    “Only in Utah”, well Utah is now last on my National Park passport list. I really don’t want to tour a state that doesn’t allow a girls shoulders. This is truly over the top.

  • Cartman

    By your standard it would be OK to wear a swimsuit in the yearbook photo because the swim team gets to wear them.

  • k33

    I agree that it should be consistent. That’s why I think the cheerleading costumes (which are ridiculously revealing for young girls!), dance constumes, tennis uniforms, etc. should all follow the dress code as well! Not the other way around.

  • Lacey

    Cartman- Swim team does not wear their uniforms to school. You are missing the whole point. The cheerleaders and the basketball players wear their uniforms all day long to show school spirit, NOT the swim team. The fact that you are not listening and bringing up the swim team shows me that you know exactly what I am talking about since you did not disagree with the fact they wear them to school and it is inappropriate.

  • Amy Petersen

    Nan, Don’t let that ruin your perception. IT is a fabulous and Beautiful state. Also, you have to give a little media exaggeration for this story. It’s one of those kind of things.

  • Adam

    They would probably love to see them in a prairie dress, barefoot and pregnant. Why do you need an education when you can have a priesthood holder?

  • Nan

    If the kids were violating a dress code it should have been corrected long before the photos were taken. The kids were allowed to wear the outfits during the school day so obviously they were not in violation of any dress code.

  • Breanna Stuart

    I don’t know about this high school, but most high schools take yearbook photos in the summer right before school starts. So they are not there to go to school, just to get their picture taken.

  • Nan

    “I don’t know about this high school, but most high schools take yearbook photos in the summer right before school starts. So they are not there to go to school, just to get their picture taken.”

    It doesn’t matter if they were taken in the summer, a schools dress code applies to all times that kids are in the building for a school sponsored event. The administration allowed the kids in and allowed them to be photographed and then later decided to alter those photos willy nilly. Wonder what the standard for alteration was, those photos that titillated administrators perhaps?

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  • Steve

    Aaron, there are many public schools which use a standardized school uniform. How do you know none of them are breaking dress code, do you have a copy of it in front of you? Most school dress codes say no sleeveless clothing is allowed. I do agree with others that if they were breaking dress code they should of been sent home to change.

  • walkingeagle

    the implication was that they did not apply the same to all the girls, the two that wore the Levi jacket – one was changed the other not. My question was asked about applying the rule to both male and female?

  • Kristin

    How can you say this has nothing to do with religion? Those pictures were edited, specifically, to hide parts that are covered by LDS Temple clothing. The lines drawn are EXACTLY where the edges of a garment would be if these girls were wearing garment tops. NO other religious dress code draws lines in exactly those places. This is ABSOLUTELY about making all students in that school, LDS or not, conform to LDS standards of modesty.

  • k33

    I agree with what some others have said. All through high school for me the pictures were taken in the summer right before school started, so I don’t think the girls were allowed to wear their outfits to school all day.

  • Melanie

    Thank you and Amen Sukiyhtaky. I happen to be LDS but live in a little rural town in Northern Washington and guess what? OUR SCHOOLS HAVE DRESS CODES. No tank tops, no bare midriffs, no sluggish pants, no short shorts, and we have a very VERY small LDS population. This is a story about following rules and the consequences that follow when you break them. They should have been more consistent, though.

  • Lesley Cate Donovan

    No, Rachel, you don’t understand. Many people are bothered by this because they find it offensive to say having bare shoulders is inappropriate. There was nothing wrong with any of the original photos that were photoshopped. It is incomprehensible to many people that this manner of dress is offensive. Or that the tattoo that was photoshopped offensive. That is very insulting to these girls.

  • Nana

    Fox 13 left out the fact that the pictures were taken 10 days before school started during registration. Signs were posted warning students that if they chose to be photographed in clothing that did not meet the school dress code their photos may be edited for the year book.

  • Cartman

    There seem to be only two kinds of people in Utah: Mormons, and Mormon-haters who have never lived anywhere else. They think that only Mormons have standards. Mormons should be flattered, even though it’s not true.

    Wasatch High’s dress code is NORMAL for the entire country. Nothing unusual about it, except in the minds of the local rubes.

  • Cartman

    Their dress code is standard for most high schools in the country. Sorry, rube. Try venturing outside of Utah. There’s a whole big world out there.

  • Cartman

    Their dress code is standard for most public high schools in the United States. Furthermore, after being raised LDS and living here for 49 years I think I’m qualified to say that Mormon kids have ALWAYS dressed like that, and nobody has complained. You are speaking out of ignorance.

    The fact that so many girls in the pictures had “bare shoulders” in HEBER CITY, which is mostly LDS, should tell you (if you have any logic) that this is NOT a “Mormon issue.” Those kids are wearing the clothes that their mostly Mormon parents bought them.

    I know what the community standard is here. You, apparently, do not.

  • Cartman

    It’s not offensive to the vast majority of the Mormon parents who bought those clothes in the first place, Lesley. You are projecting your hate on an entire religion because some knucklehead made a bad decision. And you have no idea whether that person was LDS or not.

    Ever been to the Bible Belt?

  • jo jo

    Not true, they were edited to meet the school standards of covered shoulders and no cleavage. You’ll have to find something else to blame the Mormons for this had nothing you do with religion. By the way every high school in NJ has the same standards. Is that the Mormons too,?

  • Cartman

    I checked: Beverly Hills High School has EXACTLY the same published dress code. Apparently the Mormon Conspiracy has invaded the 90210! Is there no limit to their dastardly plot?

    Some people need to take a vacation outside of Utah once in a while. They might be surprised.

  • Cartman

    You are mistaken. Many schools do. Beverly Hills High school doesn’t “ban shoulders”….but neither does Wasatch High School. Their dress codes are identical.

    These MORMON GIRLS, who were dressed like that by their Mormon parents, are the victims of a single blue-hair bureaucrat who took it upon himself to go WAY beyond community standards, and to enlist the help of snarky teenage girls in doing so.

    So get over it, rube. Try venturing outside Utah once in a while. You’d be surprised how much it looks just like Utah out there. Our kids dress like their kids. Okay?

    Almost ALL public high schools in the United States ban tank tops. And not only does Wasatch High NOT ban tattoos, but the school specifically told her and her mother that the ink would be okay BEFORE she got it. Stop inventing “discrimination” where there is none.

  • Cartman

    Beverly Hills High School (which I use as an example of a school in the very heart of Liberal World) specifically bans “tank tops”, “spaghetti straps” or any “visible underwear”, including bra straps.
    That’s not only common around the country, but nearly universal.

    Wasatch High’s dress code doesn’t specifically ban “shoulders”, but even if it DOES that’s still an awfully trivial difference. To suggest that “Mormons are prudes” and “Utah is a theocracy” because of 2 inches of cloth is a pretty major stretch, wouldn’t you say?

    Utah’s school dress codes are exactly like everyone else’s. But even if they weren’t, where is it written that we can’t have our own rules? Why are you so obsessed with conformity?

  • Cartman

    “Normal” is what the average taxpaying citizen of Heber School District says it is. If you are not that person, then you have no say in the matter.

    I love how you choose to define “normal” with a range that just HAPPENS to extend to YOU, personally. Because if you want to keep expanding it as far as it’ll go then “normal” will include….Afghanistan. The jungles of the Philippines. Eskimos. African pygmies.

    But no. You draw the line at YOU. How convenient!

    “Community standards” are established at the local level. By definition.

  • Cartman

    “Undergarments shall not be visible.
    Girls: No revealing clothing. Students shall not wear sheer blouses, bare midriff or revealing tank tops, tube tops, open backed shirts, halter tops, spaghetti straps, or low-cut necklines. Short skirts and short shorts are not allowed. Shorts and skirts must be at least half way down the thigh. Leggings or tights must be covered by shorts, dress, or skirt.”

    Drat those Mormons and their southern California theocracy! LOL!

  • Nan

    No the dress code you cited did not ban all tank tops, it specified “revealing tank tops”. By the BH standard the girl in the white tank type shirt would make it through the dress code you cite. And the girls in the denim vests would also make it trough. Try again.

  • Cartman

    And you know that because………?

    But even if you’re right, she’d flunk because her bra straps are showing. That violates the standards.

    But let’s ignore even THAT. You’re condemning Wasatch High over a few millimeters of cloth, more or less. You’re doing exactly what you claim THEY’RE doing.

    I’d still like you to explain how you know she’d pass muster at Beverly Hills High. Is your name Clampett, by chance?

  • Nan

    If you want to prove they have the exact same dress code why have you not published the Wasatch code along side your BH one?

  • Cartman

    The school says there was a sign. Students and parents have said there was not. No one has come forward to corroborate the school’s story. If there was a sign, it wasn’t exactly standing out.

  • Nan

    The girl in white didn’t have her bra strap showing, that was the girl in brown print shirt, who had black sleeves edited on.

  • Nan

    Cartman said:
    “I’d still like you to explain how you know she’d pass muster at Beverly Hills High”

    Because I read the dress code you posted and the girl in the white tank top (you’ll note Wasatch didn’t edit her cleavage, just added sleeves) and the girls in the denim vests are well within the guide lines you posted.

  • Cartman

    Because it’s not published on their web site, so I can’t cut and paste.

    However, the only possible difference might be regarding “shoulders.” I submit that FREAKING THE HELL OUT over shoulders is idiotic and childish no matter which side of the issue you’re on. Prudes who think girls with exposed shoulders are “s l u t s” are obviously idiots. But YOU are the sort of person who would shout “TALIBAN!” if they CAN’T expose shoulders.

    That’s a lot of breathless hyperbole over a few square centimeters of cloth.

    The real issues…..the ONLY issues……is whether or not the students were duly informed of the rules, whether or not the rules were enforced fairly and uniformly, and whether or not the schools reaction to rule violations was reasonable.

    The existence of rules is NOT a problem among reasonable people. And reasonable adults recognize and accept that “community standards” can quite reasonably vary from one community to another.

    I have no doubt that you, NAN, complain bitterly against “conformity”. Am I wrong? Yet you insist on absolute conformity EVERYWHERE, in every community, to YOUR personal standards. You are a hypocrite.

  • Cartman

    Can you explain to me why every community except a small town in Utah is allowed to have community standards, while Utah communities are required to conform to the standards of others?

    Help me out.

    In some of the island nations in Micronesia teen girls aren’t even required to wear tops at all. That’s their community standard. Do you submit that THEIR standard should be forced upon Heber City? Or is there a line somewhere that even YOU would draw? And if so, by what authority do you name yourself the Fashion Police?

    Heber City can have their own standards, just like anywhere else. NOBODY outside of their community has any business dictating whether their standards should be higher or lower. MIND YOUR DOWN BUSINESS, so-called “liberals.” In fact….please look up the word “liberal” in the dictionary. You might be surprised.

  • Nan

    No I expect my kids to conform to standards and I expect administrators to enforce standards. What I see is the Wasatch administration failing to enforce standards with all kids, at all times, in all situations where the administration was in charge of them. You say NOW ““community standards” can quite reasonably vary from one community to another.” but prior to this you said that Wasatch standards were the same as any other place in the country. I’ve just been pointing out that Wasatch standards are not the most common and not what I have experienced my self or experience now with my kids.

    What I see wrong with the whole thing, the kids who violated the code should have been refused pictures in the offending clothing. That’s what happens here, if their clothing doesn’t meet the code they can either put on a “school spirit” tee shirt or go home and change into something appropriate. If I had to waste time driving my kids home to change would I be mad you bet but it would be with my child not the administration. And I can tell you that if my kids showed up in any of the clothing show in the pre-edit I would not have had to take them home, every outfit would have passed muster. You know since community standards vary and all.

  • Cartman

    I agree 100% that IF the rules were enforced arbitrarily then that was wrong. I agree 100% that the school’s method of handling violations was inappropriate. (Offending photos should have been rejected outright, if the students were duly informed ahead of time.)

    However, I absolutely reject your notion that YOUR personal ideas of what is “normal” and what is not should prevail. How wide should the concept of “community standards” extend? You believe they should extend to YOU, conveniently. In fact, they should extend no further than the taxpaying citizens of Wasatch County. Otherwise you might as well solicit the opinions of Afghan Mullahs, and naked tribesmen in the Philippine jungle. Every community is entitled to set its own standards without outside busybodies dictating to them.

  • Bob

    Worry about your own kids and make sure they follow the dress code of the school they attend. Why should school administrators be made to do your job.

    While your at it, don’t don’t worry about other kids. They aren’t your problem.

  • Cartman

    And arguing about exposed shoulders, which involves a few square inches of cloth, is RIDICULOUS no matter which side of the issue you’re on.

    It’s TRIVIAL. Let the local community decide, and MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. A girl with exposed shoulders is not a “s l u t”, and a person who thinks they should be covered is not the “Taliban.” That kind of nonsense serves no purpose. And it distracts from the actual issues involved. It’s none of anyone else’s business whether or not Wasatch High requires sleeves or not. It’s TRIVIAL.

  • Cartman

    The purpose of school is education. Coddling students who knowingly and willfully violate the rules is not educating them. It’s lying to them. It’s teaching them that the world will march to THEIR drum, and they’re going to be in for a hard lesson when they find out that’s now how the real world works. The little dears have been taught their whole lives that everything they do is precious and wonderful, and it’s a LIE.

    Have rules. Enforce rules. Do it in a professional, businesslike way. Clothes unacceptable? Go home and change. Manage to slip one past the “guards”? Your photo ends up in the waste basket.

    That’s how LIFE works.

  • Nan

    I have never said that my standards should prevail, what I’ve said is that you were wrong when you said
    “their dress code is standard for most high schools in the country.” in my experience Wasatch’s dress code is not standard for most high schools in the country as a matter of fact it is not the standard in any high school I’ve dealt with as a student or parent. I never said they should change it or that it was bad I just said it is not a universal standard and that even the one you quoted (BH) does not go as far as Wasatch goes if you look at their editing as an example. I also have said over and over that they should have called the kids on the violations at the time. From my experience with kids it is never a good idea to ignore bad behavior at the time it happens, it sends a bad message to kids to let them get away with violations.

  • Nan

    “Cartman
    Have rules. Enforce rules. Do it in a professional, businesslike way. Clothes unacceptable? Go home and change. Manage to slip one past the “guards”? Your photo ends up in the waste basket.

    That’s how LIFE works.”

    That’s how life works here at my kids school, as I have said over and over, but that’s not how it worked at Wasatch. Wussy administration afraid to stand up to kids or parents.

  • BRicks

    Obviously, not all schools have the same standard. That has zero relevance. That is like saying an employee at one business should not have to come in at 7:00 because most businesses don’t open until 8:00. Wasatch High has a standard and those students were Wasatch High students. The ONLY standard that matters is the one that Wasatch High has put in place. If parents don’t like the standard, then they need to go through the procedures to change the dress code.

    These students knew the standard. Even if the school did not enforce the practice with every student (and I think they should have) that does not excuse those that did have their photos altered. The fact that police do not ticket every person that speeds does not invalidate the speed limit. If you get pulled over, the judge will not even entertain your argument that someone else was also speeding.

    Let’s start teaching young people that they are accountable all rules and they must face consequences when they choose otherwise.

  • Cartman

    Your experience must be quite narrow, because give or take a trivial amount of cloth their dress code IS standard across the nation.

    But they are not required to be “just like everyone else.” The only people who have a right to say what Wasatch High’s dress code is are the taxpaying citizens who send their kids there. THAT is the “community” which establishes the Community Standard.

    And that is the concept which busybodies like YOU can’t seem to grasp. YOU are not in charge. YOUR opinions are of zero value either way.

  • Cartman

    That’s a good point. IF they knew the standard going in, then the complaint against non-standard photos not being edited or thrown out is legitimate, but the ones who WERE edited still knowingly violated the standard.

    “If she can do it then so can I” is a childish response. I am required to obey the law, for example, no matter how many criminals “get away with it.” Just because the guy in front of me is also speeding doesn’t mean I shouldn’t get a ticket.

    CHILDREN whine about “the other guy.” Adults understand that they are responsible for themselves no matter what others may do.

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