‘Ordain Women’ urges LDS Church to change policies regarding women serving as official witnesses

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SALT LAKE CITY — The organization “Ordain Women” is launching a new campaign aimed at changing policies that prevent women in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from serving as official witnesses in religious ceremonies.

The group was organized to push for ordination of women to the LDS Church’s priesthood, but the “Ready to Witness” campaign launched Wednesday focuses on roles women are excluded from that, in their view, are not gender specific due to doctrine but rather because of policy.

The changes include allowing women to hold their babies during blessings performed by men and serving as witnesses in ceremonies like baptisms or sealing ceremonies in LDS temples. They also want women to be able to sit with young women during worthiness interviews conducted by male leaders to, “witness and protect them.”

Debra Jenson, Board Chair for Ordain Women, said they chose those four specific examples because they believe most LDS women can relate to at least one instance personally as a time they were kept from participating. She said the four examples are questions of policy rather than doctrine, so they hope that their campaign leads to a change in those policies.

Jenson also shared a personal experience with the issue, saying she wanted to have a woman serve as a witness to her wedding but had to choose a male witness instead.

“There were women in my life who had been with me through this journey and taught me so much about who I was, and had recited the Young Women’s theme, which is ‘We will stand as witnesses of God at all times and in all things and in all places,’ and these women were not allowed to be the official witnesses at my wedding,'” she said.

The Ready to Witness Campaign urges participants to: “Ask of why, when women were chosen to serve as the first witnesses of the resurrected Christ, these policies are in place to keep women from serving as witnesses to these moments in our church.”

Participants are encouraged to send postcards to LDS Church leaders and share similar experiences of times they have felt like they have been barred from standing as a witness due to their gender.

“Women tell stories of sobbing to their bishops asking if they can participate in the blessing of their child, and wanting to be there,” Jenson said. “Missionaries, women who have been missionaries, who aren’t even allowed to be the witnesses at baptisms for people they helped teach… these are important moments that we are barring women from.”

For more information about the campaign, click here. 

FOX 13 News has reached out to the LDS Church for a comment in response to the campaign, but has not yet received an official response. FOX 13 News will update this story should a statement be released.

124 comments

  • Chris

    Get a clue Ordain Women. God tells the church what to do through the prophet. Not you. If you truly believe in the church you should know this. If you keep this up you all will face disciplinary action. Look at what happened to Kate Kelly.

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        @BECCALOUISE
        You wouldn’t recognize Jesus if he knocked on your door if He were dressed in modern clothes. You’d reject Him and you’d reject His message.

      • Jessica

        Let’s forget “Christ-like love” for a minute and just say “Why don’t you try to be a nice person and care about other’s feelings?” “Why don’t you listen to someone else’s point of view instead of attacking them?” “What causes you to lash out and be rude?” We can do all this without religion telling us to. Many LDS people I’ve met here in Utah need to take note.

  • bob

    What is their obsession with a religion they don’t believe in? It’s bizarre. I don’t spend my time hassling the Latvian Orthodox.

  • FinnyWiggen

    A mother, or other woman can sit in on a worthiness interview already… Making that a bogus request, which they word using a lot of loaded language. “To protect…”

    Begging the question, what is your real goal?

    To mislead?

    • John

      Yes – I certainly have no problem with it.
      Sometimes I suggest it – sometimes I don’t. Generally it depends on the young woman and her family. But I certainly wouldn’t have any problem with any young woman asking if either of her parents could be present in any interview.

  • Carol

    If you don’t believe in the gospel then find a different religion. This is Gods church and He will direct the prophet and the leaders of the church to lead the way He wants, not man or woman. The way this article was written, “and wanting to be there,” makes it sound like we can’t be in the same room to hear a baby blessing, which is not true. Standing “as witnesses of God at all times and in all things and in all places” means that no matter where we are, or whatever place we are in, or whatever we are doing, we will do what is right, live righteously, and stand up for what we believe and testify of Jesus Christ and God and try to follow Them.

    • Sandy Smith

      Oh c’mon Carol. Surely we can love them better than that. We are supposed to forgive and love them, if forgive them even applies. We just need to try to understand. It doesn’t change the policies or anything if we just have compassion, understanding and love.

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        Are you looking for an axe to grind Sandy? What part of what Carol said lacked compassion, understanding and love?

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        @HELVEYDC
        It was the people who professe belief in God who cheered when His Son, Jesus, was nailed to a cross. You wouldn’t recognize or believe Jesus if He knocked on your door today. And no, HELVEYDC, He wouldn’t be wearing a robe and sandels.
        Ever hear the New Testiment saying “Don’t cast your pearls before swine”?

    • S.

      Yeah, you tell ’em Carol. You don’t believe in absolutely everything? Get out. Just scram. There’s not a place for you in this gospel you questioning tare.

  • Anotherbob

    It’s funny because I was talking about this very group earlier, about how ridiculous it is that they want to remain members to a church that doesn’t agree with their views. Get a clue ladies, either start your own version of the religion or stfu. It’s all made up anyways.

  • Julie McLean

    As a woman in the LDS church I just don’t understand what difference it makes if you are there to view a baptism or if you are specifically a witness. You can have an entire group of people at a baptism -including worthy priesthood holders -and only two of them are going to be witnesses anyway. I just don’t see the problem. It’s the same at a baby blessing. Mothers aren’t left out of being there so where is the problem? I am the mother of sons and I am proud to watch them become good worthy priesthood holders and bless and baptize their children when that time comes. I have my own place in the church and I don’t have to do every single little thing the men do to feel like I’m just as good as a man. I really think you’re just trying to create problems where there aren’t any and I don’t think that’s something that God would approve of.

    • Maggie

      Perhaps it doesn’t make a difference to you if you can be a witness, or hold your baby, but to some women (even ones that believe in the prophet), it matters. You “feeling” equal and “knowing your place”doesn’t invalidate the feelings of this group of women and in my opinion only confirms more that it’s needed. “If Women Don’t Feel Opressed, then are they?”

  • Shenron

    Let God alone speak to His prophets what to do. This organozation u are trying to have will be likely the wicked israelites in the times of elijah the prophet when the people want a king.

  • Jan

    Dear “Ordain Women”, I’m sorry to break it to you, but the ambitions of the world is not the same as the ambitions of God. So please! stop forcing us to follow suit. I’m an LDS woman who is perfectly happy with my position and role I play in the church, in my family and in my community. I don’t need more women like you making me feel like I’m not enough or frowned upon because I am a woman. Stop making other women think we have no rights and are without a voice. Stop trying to be so noble in ways that are degrading and harmful to women, mothers and sisters. I don’t need you to fight for my rights to hold my baby during her baby blessing. I don’t need you to fight for my right to sit in an interview with my daughter and I most definitely do not need you to fight for my right to be a witness for her temple sealing. There is no need for it because I share that responsibility with my husband. Yes, it’s called sharing. That is the true meaning of equality when it comes to God, family and marriage.
    The voice of the minority trying to persuade the majority is prominent today. You are trying to sway us women from the only thing that keeps us happy. The gospel. If you think you’re empowering women then you’re heading the opposite direction.

    • S.

      You stomping on their voice with your message is a great way to get your point across that women are not without voice. Women in the church have a voice…just make sure it matches what the prophet says exactly.

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        Yes, women in the LDS Church do have a place. They even have their own organization. They call it the Relief Society. Second busiest person in an LDS ward after the bishop is the relief society president.

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        @BECCALOUISE
        Yes, that is how the LDS Church is set up. If this policy bothers you then perhaps you should go to your bishop and stake president and tell them where they have it all wrong.

  • ERIC ANDERSON

    Active members of the LDS Church with sincere questions are encouraged to go to their bishops and stake presidents for answers. That begs the question: Why are these phonies asking people to send postcards?

    • Jean Valjean

      @ Eric Anderson- An apostle is a special witness of Christ. Mary Magdalene saw Him and was commanded to testify of Him so technically that made her an apostle

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        interesting but bogus theory. Are you suggesting that Jesus laid His hands on the head of Mary Magdalene and ordained her to the office of apostle? Run that one by your bishop if you are really a member of the LDS Church.

      • Jean Valjean

        In the ancient church she was known as “an apostle to the apostles”. And her role in the New Testament is congruent with the apostolic charge given by Oliver Cowdery.

      • Jean Valjean

        Follow Moroni’s exhortation in Ether 12: 41 And now, I would commend you to seek this Jesus of whom the prophets and apostles have written, that the grace of God the Father, and also the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost, which beareth record of them, may be and abide in you forever. Amen.

        I have no opinion on whether women should hold priesthood offices. That is for the Lord alone to decide. But I do know that anybody can recieve the actual presence of the Lord, just as Mary Magdalene, Joseph Smith and many others. Male or female, black or white, gay or straight. We are all invited to recieve His appearing.

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        @JEAN VALJEAN
        You really have “no opinion on whether women should hold priesthood offices”? Don’t you think you should?

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        His servants speak for Him, and they removed her from the church that she asked to give her priesthood powers.

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        Kate Kelly must have believed that the LDS Church had the authority to grant her the priesthood or she wouldn’t have asked them for it. Apparently she got her answer.

  • Spencer Reid

    I recently watched my Niece be Baptized and she wanted her Grandmother to be the one to be with her, But was told no it has to be your Grandfather as that is a Males Right to do not a woman’s. I sat right there and heard that from the Bishops mouth, If it hadn’t been such an important thing to my niece I would have walked out right there. Granted I am not LDS. The church I belong to does allow for Women to be Ministers, and Serve at ALL Levels of the Church

    • ERIC ANDERSON

      Nice sob story Spencer, phony but nice. And no, you didn’t hear a bishop say: “that is a Males Right to do not a woman’s”. Lying doesn’t doesn’t strengthen your argument.

      • Spencer Reid

        Wrong, not made up. Those were the EXACT words out of the priests mouth. Sorry to burst your bubble, But since Grandma can’t hold a Priesthood this means that a Woman is not allowed to perform the baptism. Even though the Person being baptized didn’t want her grandfather to Baptize her, as he is not the most pleasant person to be Around. Yes we were all allowed to be there, but it came across to me that Women are not held in the same regard as their male counter parts. You can’t really comment on it SINCE YOU WERE NOT THERE, And much like my name sake I have a nearly Eidetic memory, so I can recall most every conversation I have heard or been part of.

      • William

        More proof that you are making things up. Bragging about how great your memory is to prove your point kind of takes you the other direction. “It’s true! I promise! If you don’t believe me, just ask me!”
        Even if it is true, your single experience doesn’t do anything to prove how women in the church are really treated. Women have far more power than you give them credit for.

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        First you said it came right from the Bishop’s mouth and now you say it came out of the priest’s mouth. Your story just pass the credibility test. (Translation: You’re lying through your teeth.)

      • Jessica

        I don’t even have to ask to know you’re a Utah Mormon. LDS people from other states are overall much better representations of the church and God. Since you’re in Utah, how about we meet up and discuss why you feel the need to be so rude to others who’re apart of your same faith?

    • William

      It sounds to me like you have never actually been to an LDS baptism. “She wanted her Grandmother to be the one to be with her?” If you had been to a baptism you would know that everyone gets to be with her. The only names recorded are the person being baptized and the person baptizing them. Everyone else is a witness and can be as close to the font as would be courteous to everyone else watching even thought the official witnesses are priesthood holders.

  • Brian F

    “Missionaries, women who have been missionaries, who aren’t even allowed to be the witnesses at baptisms for people they helped teach… these are important moments that we are barring women from.”
    Sounds to me that they want this “important moment” to be more about them, instead of their investigators and their salvation. Not being able to stand during that ordinance, doesn’t make its purpose any less important, its saving power any less real.

    • ERIC ANDERSON

      As you well know Brian two witnesses are invited by the family of the individual being baptized. The Lord’s house is a house of order and not a house of confusion. In addition Brian, all children are invited to come up and observe the baptism.
      Obviously you don’t know what you are talking about. Ever been to a baptism Brian? Perhaps your own?

      • Brian F

        Maybe my comment was a bit misinterpreted, but all I’m simply stating is that ordain women wants to portray a situation where nobody is appreciating the work of sister missionaries. I don’t think that they (the sister missionaries) not being able to participate as one of the two witnesses at the font suggests that their work is of less importance than that of male missionaries who can be witnesses. The importance of the saving ordinance isn’t determined by the sex of the people standing by. Nobody is celebrating less the work of sister missionaries because they can’t stand on the sides of the baptismal ceremony.

    • Canam

      I appreciate what you said Brian. You hit it right on the head!!! Is this about doing the Lord’s ordinances or is this about this women’s group and meeting their personal needs? My heart goes out to them if they are not happy with their role as a woman in the LDS church, and even sadder if they haven’t been treated with respect by men in the church. I feel that is an exception and not a rule so would NOT like Ordain Women to speak for me. I feel grateful that my husband is willing to take on those responsibilities, as I have so very much on my plate…I couldn’t possibly handle his responsibilities as well!
      I am grateful he sees me as his equal and appreciates me for my unique qualities I bring to our marriage. It would be very hard to be in a relationship where you are not treated so and would perhaps be driven to demand equality as well! Again my heart goes out to the women of Ordain Women for the lack of respect they feel in their lives, but feel that it doesn’t give them the right to speak on behalf of all the women in the LDS church.

      • beccalouise

        That’s right! Women don’t have needs or who cares if they do. It is not about meeting any of their needs! They should be sacrificing quietly for everyone else!

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        @BECCALOUISE
        So if you disagree with how the LDS Church is operated and don’t think they are on the right track why do you continue to remain a member. Obviously you cannot answer the questions truthfully that would enable you to get a recommend.

  • Not a Bob

    I just can’t sit back and remain silent on this issue. I have one question for this group: Who are you to try to tell me what I ‘need’ from my Church? I’m an active LDS woman and I can tell you that I do NOT want more responsibilities in the Church than I already have. You do not speak for me. You do not speak for the majority of women in this Church. You’re a very small minority who speak selfishly for yourselves and when you speak, you merely reveal how little you understand.

    I love Isaiah 13:12 where the Lord says “I will make a man more precious than fine gold…” I am married to such a man: kind, loving, utterly devoted to me and our children, truly a precious gem among men in this world. And you know what? We both firmly believe that it’s the Church of Jesus Christ and the Priesthood of God that made him that way. I have met hundreds of active Mormon men who are the same: gentle, loving, soft-spoken–truly a rarity in today’s world. Stop putting Mormon men down by saying they’re not good enough for the priesthood roles God gave them and that women have to step in to fill the void. Stop saying that we women are dissatisfied with our roles because–revelation here–we’re not!!!! You are delusional if you think this is what Mormon women want. Just as this gospel has created many amazing men, it’s also created many amazing women. It already has what we ALL need, male and female alike, without any corrections coming from you who have not been called of God to speak for others in this Church.

    I praise God daily that our leaders–worthy priesthood bearing MEN–are wise enough not to listen to you. Yes, they try to be patient and diplomatic with you, but you will not change God’s church. If you believe that the Church will cave to ‘social pressure’ then you believe that the Word of Wisdom came about because Joseph caved to Emma, or that the gospel was taken to the gentiles because Peter caved to Cornelius. You do not understand the Lord’s ways–His revelations come in such a way as to not challenge anyone’s agency: those who want to believe the Church caved to social pressure in giving the priesthood to all worthy men will continue to believe that way, while those who understand how the Lord works know with certainty that it was the Lord’s will–not man’s–that gave the priesthood to all worthy men in preparation for the Gospel spreading to every nation, with obvious results very evident 40 years later. Your prideful position that you think you know so much better is so incredibly misguided! You aren’t just offending the Lord and His anointed leaders, but millions of amazing Mormon women whom you DO NOT represent! So stop speaking out as though you do!

    • FinnyWiggen

      I love your name! Anyone who has commented on Fox 13 appreciates the humor. For anyone else it just goes over their head.

      It made me laugh.

    • Apostate

      …And If the church did announce that women were allowed to be a part you would probably be like: “It’s a great day to be a woman in this church” I mean after all, it would have come from God, so then it would be okay to want those things and be excited to be a part.

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        You said it yourself. You are an apostate. You wouldn’t believe if Jesus stood at your door and knocked.

      • Not a Bob

        Not sure what you mean by “allowed to be a part” or “excited to be a part.” You speak as if I’m not a part of my church, as though I were shunned simply because I’m a woman. I am already “a part” of my church. In fact, I’m a member just like anyone else and I have NEVER felt excluded or left out of anything! What this organization is conveying is that it isn’t enough to “just” be a woman, they expect that we have to be like men in order to be valued. It’s the same ol’ argument used in the feminist movement of the ’70’s, that being a woman isn’t good enough–we have to be like men before we’re ‘equal,’ thus elevating men to a higher level that we women should reach for. I found that thinking highly offensive then just as I do now. They don’t realize that in the very act of trying to raise women up, they’re putting women down! Who are they to define what it means to be a woman? Or to try to tell me or millions of other Mormon women what we ‘need.’

        If the day ever came that Jesus Christ decided women should have the priesthood in His Church, then I would accept that. But ONLY if it came through His well-ordered line of priesthood authority and NOT from some self-proclaimed prophetesses who falsely believe they have knowledge from the Lord that His own ordained prophet doesn’t have. They can squawk and sputter all they want. Just stop pretending to speak for all women in the Church, because they don’t. Not by a long shot!

  • Jarren

    The General Authorities in the past conferences have very lovingly explained the huge roles women play in the Church. Ordain Women is a misguided cause, the Church has no need to change policy- it comes from Heavenly Father, so therefore it is perfect. The Church does not want to nor is it required to change its ways just because the world wants it to.

    • Charity

      Policies are men’s interpretation of what they believed to be inspiration. Policies change all the time. There have been many policies that the church has changed over the years. Including African Americans being permitted to hold the priesthood and go to the temple, and the more recent policy regarding children of gay people. Policies are not perfect because they do not come from God. Policies come from human men and humans are not perfect. Nobody is. This is why there is a difference between “gospel doctrine” and “policy.”

    • beccalouise

      The church is perfect. That’s why everyone is so happy in the church. In sure it will be this same way in the millennium. I wouldn’t change a thing!

  • Julie

    People keep on saying it against the gospel, or doctrine, but it isn’t written anywhere, that women can’t hold the priesthood, so since it isn’t how can it be against gospel, or the doctrine

    • beccalouise

      Yeah Julie, don’t you know when the men put the bible together they didn’t include any of the women, so how do you know! Obviously we know everything Jesus ever did and we have a great record of it. It must be translated correctly. I’m sure the council in Nicea wouldn’t have omitted anything that threatened their patriarchy.

  • Mark Barnes

    Sadly so many of the same comments to this article were made before 1978 with regard to those who bravely stood up for the ordination of men of African descent, and the accompanying temple ban against all people of African descent. Just as it was right to stand against racism in the church then, it is right to stand against sexism in the church today. It is sad to see so many people externalize their moral choices.

  • Flaxen

    For what it’s worth. I’m a woman in the church. I’m not much of a homemaker. My strengths are numbers and business. I’d love to be a clerk. I cannot. My lds book club was disbanded by the bishop because he didn’t have time to read and approve each book. My friend’s husband was asked to give his permission before the bishopric (different bishopric 2 years later) presented the calling to her. Yeah, I think there’s room to improve. Ordain women, though I don’t like their tactics, have some good points. To those that say, “if you’re not happy, then leave.” That’s easier said than done when it is woven into the fabric of almost all aspects of your life. As a member who chooses to stay active, I hope and pray women can rise to a more equal place as men within the church as my daughters grow up because as it is, we are not equal. If you as a woman feel equal, great, but just because you feel good about the current state doesn’t mean all of your sisters do.

    • John

      Holy cow – Bishops now have to approve book club readings? I don’t remember reading that in the handbook.
      And you should be asked to approve your husband’s callings before they are extended – just like he gets to approve yours.
      As for being a clerk – you can in at least three positions in your own ward, and at least another three at Stake level, but they are called ‘secretary’ instead of ‘clerk’. Still – very similar work. And just in case anyone jumps to conclusions about the meaning of the term ‘secretary’ in the Church – there are plenty of males serving in that role with that title too.

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        @FLAXEN
        You don’t say why you continue to maintain your membership in a church you don’t agree with. Any particular reason?

  • Amazing Grace

    It’s amazing how this article hit a nerve with so many people. The impetuous reactions amaze me! The lack of empathy on how some women would like to take part in some major aspects of the church, instead of being bystanders, is astounding. This article is not asking the church to require women to participate, but to be able to, if they choose to.

    • Jan

      It’s not a requirement but Let them participate if they choose to? Don’t confuse good with evil. That’s how cunning satan is! He makes bad and detrimental scenarios appear unharmful and unimportant. What do you think will happen when they grant the ordained women the possibility to participate in blessings “if they choose to”? You think it will end there? Heck no! They will move further and demand to be Bishops and part of the 12 Apostles. We’re talking flood gates here.

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        @BECCALOUISE
        Equal rights BECCALOUISE? When men can give give birth to children come back and we’ll talk equal rights.

      • ANOTHERBOB

        @LEMONSMAKEGRAPEJUICE
        The question isn’t whether you’re physically capable of holding the priesthood. The question by what authority is the priesthood given, and how can you receive it from someone who is not authorized to give it to you?

      • LEMONSMAKEGRAPEJUICE

        AnotherBob, someone else claimed that because men cannot get pregnant, women shouldn’t be able to hold the priesthood. I was simply pointing out why that comparison is irrelevant. Please read the comments before responding.

    • ERIC ANDERSON

      Active members of the LDS Church know that women have a very vital and active role in their church. If you don’t then by definition you can’t be an active member now can you?

      • Noel

        All through out this thread your only argument is to yell apostate to anyone who disagrees with you. LDS people don’t need to prove their worthiness to you. We can all ask questions, think for ourselves, or fight for equality from mortal men, while still being faithful members of the church.

    • ERIC ANDERSON

      Ever meet a relief society president who felt like she was as bystander Amazing Grace? No? I didn’t thing so.

  • Charity

    I’m an active member of the LDS Church, and personally I would love to be able to hold my baby during her blessing. Or even place my hands on her head and say a prayer about my hopes for her future, or with my husband, to bless her and provide comfort when she is sick. I would love to be an official witness at her baptism, or at her wedding. I feel like ordain women raises some questions that are good to discuss and explore. I’m a faithful member and hope the leaders will consider allowing women into these roles. I feel like it would a very special spiritual experience to participate together with my husband, as a family.

  • tmt3

    You can petition, but it won’t do much, as this is God’s church. He runs it the way that He wants to, just like you run your house the way you want to. Praise to the Man who communed with Jehovah! Jesus (who is The Man) anointed That prophet and seer! Can you sing it with me? Please?? don’t say you’re going to change that one too:)

  • tmt3

    You can petition, but it won’t do much, as this is God’s church. He runs it the way that He wants to, just like you run your house the way you want to. Praise to the man who communed

  • beccalouise

    A legitimate query. Now let’s all sit back and see what kind of illogical train wreck the church will entertain us with on this one.

  • ERIC ANDERSON

    BECCALOUISE seems to have the same mind frame as Kate Kelly. Ms. Kelly is no longer a member of the LDS Church. I wonder why?

  • Flaxen

    They also want women to be able to sit with young women during worthiness interviews conducted by male leaders to, “witness and protect them.”

    Why is there pushback on this? I don’t want my daughters to be interviewed alone with the bishop. I feel so uneasy about this. When my sister was interviewed alone at the age of 16 or so, the bishop asked her the most inappropriate questions. She wanted to run and hide. Needless to say, she left the church a few months later. Why does the church think it’s okay to put a grown man and an adolescent girl in a room together alone with the door closed?

    • ERIC ANDERSON

      So tell your bishop you want to be there. These inappropriate questions your sister’s bishop asked her …. ones like are you a full tithe payer, are you morally clean …..? I can see how that could make anybody uncomfortable.

      • Noel

        It’s really uncomfortable to sit there and be asked if you masturbate by a 60+ year old man… If you can’t understand that, there really is no hope for you.

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        @Noel
        Is it uncomfortable for you to have a 60+ year old bishop ask you if you’re morally clean? Exaggeration doesn’t strengthen your argument Noel. By the way, how’d you do on your last temple recommend interview? Yeah, that’s what I thought.

      • Noel

        You are not a sixteen year old girl being raised in today’s society. Therefore you really don’t understand how uncomfortable it is to be asked sexual questions from a much older man. Also there have been molestation charges against bishops and stake presidents which obviously makes this matter much more serious.

        I can send you a copy of my temple card and you can chat with my bishop about my worthiness. I’d certainly love to talk to your bishop about what a loving person you are. Do you have a calling in your ward? I pray to God he wouldn’t let you teach anyone or have a leadership role.

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        @Noel
        It is reassuring to know that you support your church leaders. Unfortunately the Ordain Women organization doesn’t.

    • Jessica

      My concerns about you? Are you afraid to take responsibility in person for your actions or the things you say? That’s your problem I suppose. I hope we do run into each other in Utah…let me know if you’re by Springville and I’ll introduce you to my bishop who would have a lot to say to you :)

      • ERIC ANDERSON

        Your bishop would refer me to my bishop Jessica. Ask him about his stewardship. That’s a fairly basic concept. You understand that right??

  • ANOTHERBOB

    At the end of the day it all boils down to who holds the priesthood, and who has the authority to give it to another? Hint: It would have to be the person who holds the keys to bestow that priesthood on another. If you have to ask then it surely isn’t you.

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